Leaders usually do one of two things: they meaningfully challenge the status quo; or they meaningfully resist a challenge to the status quo. In this episode, Jonathan discovers that he does both. He then struggles with his dislike for the word “interest” in answering this next Amplify question.
1:35 Reflections on how it feels to give that oldest part of you a voice.
04:07 The urge to escape the human.
05:38 Nostalgia is not a vision
06:13 Making our human life together better interests me.
09:18 Demonstrating two forms of leadership.
11:35 The need for tremendous discernment in leadership.
13:25 I have a deep sense that many are living in some form of resistance.
17:50 Do good people have to be swimming against the tide?
19:00 Reference cards: Illumify definition, Enleaven definition, Guidelines.
20:30 Explanation of the Amplify stage.
22:04 Card 27: Why is this in their interests?
24:50 If the vision is truthful, it will matter to people’s hearts first and foremost.
28:22 We can’t make decisions unless we feel something.
29:50 Quickly signing up or seeing it in their interests problematic.
30:50 Interest vs. self-interest.
36:50 The vision may always be self-serving for them, hitting at their secret fears.
38:40 The heartache is the key to action.
41:40 You have to appreciate their state of mind, even if you don’t share it.
43:20 How to harness individual private activity to a public good?
43:48 Final answer.
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